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Warmek's avatar

So, all of this is correct. It's also... less useful than one would hope when talking to the public.

So I've boiled it (ha!) down to some much more simple claims.

1.) CO2 is plant food.

2.) Plants grow when it's warm, not when it's cold.

3.) The majority of landmasses are in locations where winter warming above current levels would result in vastly increased levels of *human* food production.

The people preaching this religion don't actually act as though they believe it. They know it's a scam intended to subjugate the masses.

I'm quite tired of it.

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jim peden's avatar

As Bill Bonner said: people prefer a comfortable lie to the jagged truth.

In this case the jagged truth requires a little understanding of physics - something that's in short supply these days - apparently even amongst climate scientists.

The point of my post was that we don't need to get scared of human CO2 induced climate disaster. It isn't going to happen - just as the Earth is not the centre of the universe.

I'm afraid that I wasn't able to simplify the physics enough for most people to take in what it's telling us. I'll maybe have another go another time!

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Warmek's avatar

No, I think your post is excellent, please don't mistake my intent with the comment. Just, well, as you say, most people don't understand the physics. We're certainly not going to die of human CO2 induced climate change. We very well *may* die of the overreaction to the threat of human CO2 induced climate change.

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jim peden's avatar

I agree entirely. The way our rulers have behaved in the climate (and Covid) cases is a little like a severe autoimmune reaction. A kind of societal anaphylactic shock.

To push the simile further, as you rightly say, we may be in mortal danger unless the appropriate cure is administered.

In future we need to know to stay off the shellfish - and why.

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Warmek's avatar

> "we may be in mortal danger"

I'm not sure there's a "may" about it. There are people out there who are serious about the "Just Stop Oil" thing, and have absolutely no idea that doing so would result in the unpleasant deaths of about 95% of the population. If not more.

They have *no idea* what it takes to make the world work today. They do not understand how food gets made, and how it gets to the store.

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So, I'm curious. Which "Pan" is it here in "Panocracy"? I can think of a couple. Pan as in "Pan et Circenses", Pan as in the root of "Panic", or Pan as in "widespread".

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jim peden's avatar

Yes, people rarely consider the consequences of their actions. That's why panocracy demands that the downsides are presented when a policy is proposed.

The word panocracy is made up of two ideas: pan meaning all, as in all the people, and kratos meaning rule (similar to archos).

So the idea is that ruling a town/state/country is best done by everyone rather than just one (monarchy), a few (oligarchy) or a few criminals (kleptocracy) or the worst (kakistocracy).

Panocracy is democracy done properly.

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Bettina's avatar

I read that oil is abiotic (unlike fossil coal) and that the earth continually produces it, although an oil well can temporarily run dry if the amount removed is at too great a pace for the earth to replace at the same rate as the extraction. So maybe we don't need to panic at all?

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jim peden's avatar

Maybe that's why fracking works - there's oil in tham thar rocks and it seeps out slowly. It is messy stuff, though.

I'm guessing it's still a finite resource so we're going to have to find something else some time even if it's thousands of years in the future.

Hopefully someone will have come up with an alternative that far down the track!

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Warmek's avatar

Nuclear fission would be a good start. Except the people who claim to want to electrify everything reject that as well.

Their actual goals are not their claimed goals.

(Gods but I sound like a paranoid nutter. *sigh*)

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